A conversation (item 4506) with Dr. Steve Forness was held in Oct. of 2011 as part of the ongoing JANUS project. This project is supported in part by the Midwest Symposium for Leadership in Behavior Disorders (MSLBD). A complete listing of the conversations and other historical presentation may be found at mslbd.org. This conversation was the bases of an article published in Intervention in School and Clinic (49) 4 in March of 2014.